The Brick-yard Homepage Brickwerks
Forum Home Forum Home > T5 Section > T5 Chat
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - 174 Turbo
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

174 Turbo

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 5>
Author
Message
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: 174 Turbo
    Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 19:07
Hi
 
Reckon I `m on a run of bad luck at the minute, just got out of hospital today after an accident (long story) today to find my 174 (non DPF with 74,000 miles) had developed a turbo whistle
 
I took it straight to my mechanic (an independant that works predominately on VWs) who drove it and confirmed my fears that the turbo is shagged
 
I know its @ £1200 for a turbo via VW but there is a local firm that specialises in turbos and has a good reputation so will give them a shout in the morning
 
Anyone like to render a guess how much I`m looking at for a replacement (exchanging the old turbo)?
 
Is there anywhere else I should be looking for one of these? Are 174 turbos "KKK" or "Garrett"? Anyone have a part number?
 
Thanks in advanceSmile  
 
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
nmsraider View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 24 Oct 07
Status: Offline
Points: 42
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nmsraider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 19:15

hi dude, sorry to hear about your turbo, mine also failed last year and i was quoted £1200 from vw, but got a re worked one from http://www.turbocentreuk.co.uk/newfactexch.htm for £350 plus yours back to them. and fitted myself. mine was the kkk turbo but after talking to them on the phone i had to get mine out to get the part number for them as they said there were 3 differnt types used in the t5.

was very please with the service though and they give 12 months garentee.
Back to Top
mistadave View Drop Down
Yardie
Yardie


Joined: 13 Jun 09
Location: Portsmouth
Status: Offline
Points: 511
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mistadave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 19:53
I had my 55 plate axe 174 (non dpf) in at celtic tuning being remapped and eyeing other possible mods. The guy there said mine had a garret turbo and even with current remap to 230bhp it was only working at up to 30% of its stated max pressure, and when asked when they normally go, he said that these ones should out last the life of the engine!

Would be interested to find out which one yours is, hope its not a garret or ill have to keep some money in the bank for when it goes!

Dave
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 20:03
Hi guys,
 
Thanks for the replys
 
That link looks promising - £350 plus VAT is MUCH better than £1200 - reckon I`ve got a few phone calls ahead of me in the morning
 
Is it possible to see which turbo make/part number you have without removing half the engine?
 
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
Maggy View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 07 Jun 09
Location: Sweden
Status: Offline
Points: 69
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Maggy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 20:05
Bought my 174hp LWB 4motion -07 a few months ago and 350 meters from the shop I bought it the turbo started to whistle! 98000km...
Drove it home (1250km) and let the local VW dealer look at it... confirmed that it was the turbo. As it was under warranty from the place I bought it they contacted each other and I got a new turbo fitted four weeks ago. After the turbo was changed the whistle was still present! Turned out to be the exhaust manifold gasket... but I don't care... I got a new turbo!
/Maggy, The (Male) Swede

T5 Caravelle 2,5 TDI AXE LWB 174hp (210hp)LWB 4motion -07

BMW K1600GTLE -16
Back to Top
nmsraider View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 24 Oct 07
Status: Offline
Points: 42
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nmsraider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 20:50
if i remember correctly u m ight be able to see the part number from underneith, you will have to jack it up remove the plastic sheild then take a tourch under with u and your head just fits up in a gap to be able to see the part number. mine was the kkk turbo and the reason for change was not a whistle the bearings had collapsted, fan rota bent and siezed. they send out by next day delivery and you have a week to fit and send yours back, all you have to do is phone back up and they arrage collection. simple.
 
oh and ps if you are doing it your self you will also need to get from the stealers the gaskets top and bottom.
Back to Top
The Transporter View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak


Joined: 08 Nov 05
Status: Offline
Points: 1012
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Transporter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jul 09 at 21:40
Do double check before you shell out for a turbo... Like Maggy said a blown manifold gasket can give a chirp that can be mistaken for a wrecked turbo... Mine has this chirp and my blood ran cold when I first heard it.... I'll get round to sorting it soon
2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed.
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 00:11
Originally posted by The Transporter The Transporter wrote:

Do double check before you shell out for a turbo... Like Maggy said a blown manifold gasket can give a chirp that can be mistaken for a wrecked turbo... Mine has this chirp and my blood ran cold when I first heard it.... I'll get round to sorting it soon
 
So should I be looking for signs of blow by around the turbo if the gasket is gone? 
 
This happened after a "spirited" drive to the hospital after my accident
 
I didnt thrash it but I did push it on more than normal with a couple of 10 -15 second triple digit runs (on privately owned roads only you understand) but I doubt it ever got above 4 - 4.5K rpm at any point
 
It was fine prior to this journey, and today when I got out of hospital I instantly noticed the "whistle" which wasnt there previously


Edited by energysolutions - 30 Jul 09 at 00:25
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
The Transporter View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak


Joined: 08 Nov 05
Status: Offline
Points: 1012
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Transporter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 00:59
I have soot smudging on the heat shield just above the turbo.. If you have a looksee in that area at start up in the morning, then you may well see and smell fumes... It has got to be worth a look.

To be honest, I do like to make progress out on the road  but I always allow the engine to warm up gently and always drive gently for the last mile or so of a journey, reversing on to the drive, allowing the turbo to both cool and spool down
2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed.
Back to Top
Heritagevancentre View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: 29 Jan 09
Location: westbury, Wilts
Status: Offline
Points: 337
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Heritagevancentre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 07:48

hi if you give me a ring with the reg number i should be able to give you the part number and make of the turbo, but its worth getting it double checked that its not a cracked manifold or the gsk blown, we have had similar problems here

Contact the van centre on 01373 855815 for all you needs , we dont just work for vw we also have a passion for them aswell , so give us a call , promotions on there way!!
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 08:43
Originally posted by The Transporter The Transporter wrote:

I have soot smudging on the heat shield just above the turbo.. If you have a looksee in that area at start up in the morning, then you may well see and smell fumes... It has got to be worth a look.

To be honest, I do like to make progress out on the road  but I always allow the engine to warm up gently and always drive gently for the last mile or so of a journey, reversing on to the drive, allowing the turbo to both cool and spool down
 
I`ll give that a whirl today
 
I fully agree with your views on driving, (particulary warming up) and firmly believe that whilst I was pushing on a bit harder than normal (middle of the night, empty/good roads and trying to get to hospital) I still wouldnt have done anything nearly rash enough to cause this issue on its own
 
Basically I drove 20/30 mph more in the fast places than normal but pretty much the same everywhere else
 
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 08:44
Originally posted by Heritagevancentre Heritagevancentre wrote:

hi if you give me a ring with the reg number i should be able to give you the part number and make of the turbo, but its worth getting it double checked that its not a cracked manifold or the gsk blown, we have had similar problems here

 
I will be in touch later........
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 20:44
Originally posted by mistadave mistadave wrote:

I had my 55 plate axe 174 (non dpf) in at celtic tuning being remapped and eyeing other possible mods. The guy there said mine had a garret turbo and even with current remap to 230bhp it was only working at up to 30% of its stated max pressure, and when asked when they normally go, he said that these ones should out last the life of the engine!

Would be interested to find out which one yours is, hope its not a garret or ill have to keep some money in the bank for when it goes!

Dave
 
Out of curiousity, how can Celtic estimate what percentage of max pressure the turbo is running at?
 
I found out today (rather Heritage found out for me - thanks guys!!!) that my turbo is a Garrett
 
I`m still hopeful that it is something less sinister/expensive but will price up a replacement just in case
 
 


Edited by energysolutions - 30 Jul 09 at 20:45
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
mistadave View Drop Down
Yardie
Yardie


Joined: 13 Jun 09
Location: Portsmouth
Status: Offline
Points: 511
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mistadave Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jul 09 at 23:37
i'm hoping it is something else then! there is a sensor that reads the boost pressure in the turbo so the ecu can control how much the boost is depending on lots of variables. The max rated pressure on the garrett is way higher than the max that it was remapped to, so a non remapped 174 should be way within that.
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 09 at 16:35
Originally posted by mistadave mistadave wrote:

i'm hoping it is something else then! there is a sensor that reads the boost pressure in the turbo so the ecu can control how much the boost is depending on lots of variables. The max rated pressure on the garrett is way higher than the max that it was remapped to, so a non remapped 174 should be way within that.
 
It actually is remapped but only to a conservative 205 BHP as I believed (ironically) that going beyond this would have an adverse affect on reliability!
 
I had a turbo specialist look at it today and although its hard to see he spotted some soot where he reckoned should be clean and advised me to strip it and check everything else first as he wasnt convinced that the hiss I`m hearing is the turbo
 
So its booked in for thursday........................
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
nmsraider View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: 24 Oct 07
Status: Offline
Points: 42
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nmsraider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 09 at 17:54

nice one just keep everthing crossed that it is just the 99p gasket that needs replacing then mate.

Back to Top
The Transporter View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak


Joined: 08 Nov 05
Status: Offline
Points: 1012
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Transporter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 09 at 18:33
Nice one! I'm glad that it is looking positive.... First we had the clonk, now we have the chirp!....LOL

I wonder if VW are trying to be as musical as that Ford that the orchestra play on the ad...

Perhaps we could nominate what VW could play on the musical Transporter... I'd go for "Chirpy chirpy cheep cheep" by "Middle of the road"


Edited by The Transporter - 31 Jul 09 at 18:40
2004 174bhp AXE engine..... Belligerence has been confirmed.
Back to Top
kosmic View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: 04 Aug 09
Status: Offline
Points: 4
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kosmic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 09 at 19:19
Hi,
 
My turbo went (in the middle of Glen Coe, Scotland!), VW quoted me £1200 for a replacement turbo, after charging me £30 for the diagnosis.
 
Got my mechanic friend to strip it back, its the KKK turbo that is in my van.  Really struggled to find a recon one, tried to put mine into get reconditioned however the guy who does it couldnt get a part  for it (spindle inside had snapped).  Eventually got new turbo from Europarts for about £800 (sobs).
 
Such a hassle to access the turbo! 
 
My van is a 2004 T5 2.5 Tdi - hope this info is useful!
 
 
VW Transporter T5 Camper Conversion 2.5 Tdi
Back to Top
Ex-car bloke View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak


Joined: 17 Jan 06
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 1612
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ex-car bloke Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Aug 09 at 21:38
THis "chirp" or "whistle"....
 
Does the turbo on the 2.5 not make a faint whistle normally, like the 1.9 but less noticeable?  I can hear mine (sounds more like a hiss or a very high frequency squeal) when I accelerate, with window wound down and high hedgerows/walls for the sound to reflect off.  WIndows up it's inaudible.
 
Mine's a 174 with only 45k miles - don't tell me this is something to worry about???  
ECB           2006 SWB 174 window van
Back to Top
energysolutions View Drop Down
Vanorak
Vanorak
Avatar

Joined: 02 Dec 08
Location: Earth (For Now)
Status: Offline
Points: 3684
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote energysolutions Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Aug 09 at 10:26
Originally posted by Ex-car bloke Ex-car bloke wrote:

THis "chirp" or "whistle"....
 
Does the turbo on the 2.5 not make a faint whistle normally, like the 1.9 but less noticeable?  I can hear mine (sounds more like a hiss or a very high frequency squeal) when I accelerate, with window wound down and high hedgerows/walls for the sound to reflect off.  WIndows up it's inaudible.
 
Mine's a 174 with only 45k miles - don't tell me this is something to worry about???  
 
Yes, there always was a sound like you describe (faint hiss) but now it has progressed to an intermittent chirp/whistle with no apparent pattern.
 
While for me its noticably different than before I bet most people getting in wouldnt notice
 
When I spoke to turbo specialists both asked me if it sounded like a "siren" (very loud) but when I explained/let one of them listen to it both reckoned that it may well be another less serious problem and not a turbo
 
It is being stripped tomorrow so I find out then.........
 
!!Never Eat Yellow Snow!!
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  123 5>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

The WebThis site