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LTCamper89
Vanorak Joined: 18 Apr 12 Location: The Toon Status: Offline Points: 4285 |
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New contact for VolksZone Gas deal is Nicola Smith 0161 9306014
Prices I was quoted today are: Y Bottle Argoshield Light Refill £26.50+VAT Rental £38.70+VAT Y Bottle Argoshield Refill £36.30+VAT Universal Rental £38.70+VAT The environment and energy surcharge was £0.00 If you do not sign up for direct debit of the annual rental there is a £2.00+VAT invoice fee, once per year. Even though Nicola had phoned the branch after I had spoken to her in the morning it still took an absolute age to open the account but got there in the end.
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1989 LT28 2.4D Saviour of 6Music, well one of them. Now playing http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_6music
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AndyT
Moderator Group Joined: 16 May 08 Location: Ammanford Status: Offline Points: 2274 |
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Greetings to everyone enjoying savings on the Volkszone offer.
Just an update on current prices for anyone else. Monthly rental now £3.74 Y Bottle refill now £32.29 inc environment and energy surcharge Both prices include vat. |
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max and caddy
Vanorak Joined: 12 Dec 09 Location: Lancaster..uk Status: Offline Points: 4866 |
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I'm with boc and did the folk zone offer thing this refill...so far so good!
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AndyT
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Still think the BOC deal is better if you use a reasonable amount of gas.
Did a huge amount of research before I changed over, main reason being that when I bought the X bottle refills were £40. Cost had doubled when I moved to BOC. Cannot find anyone else who will fill the X bottle so just use it when I need to be mobile. Had a look at Adams prices and they are filled to a lower pressure so contain only about 50% as much gas, equivalent running cost for an X bottle would be around £70 which is a reasonable saving of £15. For that cost with BOC you get twice as much gas per year. |
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LT28 1979 2.0 Pampas Nevada Camper LPG 93K, 1980 T3 A/C Camper 98K,1994 RRC 3.9 LPG 120k , 1998 Audi A6 Est 2.5 V6 diesel 127k
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kelsham
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Adams gas have suppliers round the country, you buy the bottle and afterwards just pay for the refill. I live in Mid Wales and there is a supplier in Welshpool. I handed back my BOC bottle.
It is wise to buy a welder that is at least 150 amp as you can weld a thicker piece of metal when needed. Make sure it goes down to a minimum of 30 amps for bodywork. If you are on a budgetand only want it for thinner metal a 130 amp mc will suffice.
Make sure that the metal is clean/ really clean.
Check earth clamp is tight.
Disconnect battery and alternator.
The diode packs are susceptible to spikes when welding.
Buy a good mask, they are getting cheaper. I personally prefer one that has removable batteries.
My first mask died when the rechargeable battery failed in the cold garage after two years. It was not designed to be replaced.
A good mask will allow you to see the welding process properly.
When setting up set the tension so that the wire slips when you stop it with your hand after allowing a loop to form. If it is to tight it will birdsnest in the machine.
When welding cars it is best to do it in short bursts to stop distortion of the panels and move position on the joint, don't hurry. If you do you will need lots of filler to make good.
Join the migwelding forum and read the tutorials.
Clarke welders seem to be the best hobby welder.
A good machine makes welding easier to learn.
Regards Kels
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AndyT
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P.S. Bottle needs a spanner which is not supplied, naf all use without.
£1ish on fleabay or welding suppliers, BOC £3ish plus use couriers so £8.50 charge per order. |
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AndyT
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Welcome mate, more the merrier as far as I am concerned.
I have a non boc x bottle I need re-filling but I'm not paying £85. Anybody........ £25 for 2 1/2 times the gas is MUCH better. Y Bottle though is much heavier so had to make a welding cart this weekend. |
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Serge
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Thanks for letting me know about this great deal Andy, I've been paying £78 a year rent on a size X Argoshield Light bottle so this is half the price for more gas! I rang BOC and they have put me on the tariff you described and I have just swapped my bottle over. Thanks again!
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max and caddy
Vanorak Joined: 12 Dec 09 Location: Lancaster..uk Status: Offline Points: 4866 |
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I think I'm on y size Argo light now anyway...ta for the info.
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AndyT
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Found the info on the mig welding forum.
Just ring 0800 111333 and ask about the Volkszone offer. Only catch is it's Y size only, reasoning being that it fits in the boot!!. |
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max and caddy
Vanorak Joined: 12 Dec 09 Location: Lancaster..uk Status: Offline Points: 4866 |
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How? did you just ask at boc? im on the intrustrial tariff...too expensive..whats the catch?
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AndyT
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Update on the gas side.
Got a nice big BOC Y bottle (40kg) this afternoon, found a special deal for diy bods. Gas is £24.48 a refill and annual rent £34.15 + vat of course. No stupid contract, monthly bills. Normal prices are £50.36 and £105.06. |
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pinpin
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Oh and disconnectthe battery, at best you could fry your ECU at worst your battery will blow up due to the hydrogen it produces when it boils. Have fun!!
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A GUY HAS TO HAVE HIS TOYS!!
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pinpin
Yardie dayglo dan Joined: 18 Nov 08 Location: Gods Country Status: Offline Points: 358 |
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Right fellas, just my tuppence worth but if you going to do the welding lark, don't go for a gasless model, go for at least a 150 amp gas fed model (it's worth spending the extra). There's lots of places you can get gas from, admittedly it comes with a bottle rental fee which is about £18 a month. A full bottle of either argoshield light or coogar 5 should set you back about £75 notes depending on if you use air products or BOC. If your new to welding get some practice on scrap material first and with mig clean material is really important. Then it's up to you experimenting with the amount of current and wire speed. If your stuck ask someone we all had trouble at some time.
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A GUY HAS TO HAVE HIS TOYS!!
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NickV
Not Quite Newbie Joined: 13 Nov 11 Location: Bideford Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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True...
It can blow the diodes on the alternator which turn ac to dc
So always disconnect the alternator before welding. I disconnect the battery too as it only takes a sec!
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lt31ollie
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for the people who keep running out of gas quickly..
turn the wire speed down and hold the torch near youre cheak, the purge of gas should feel simular to breath on the back of youre hand if you have to much gas, this can drag air into the sheid of gas which will give you porosity. ive been working as a fabricator for the last 5 years and this is how i always metre how much gas i need. also if you use 0.6 to 0.8, welding body panels is far easyier and stronger as the you get full weld penatration rather than if you use 1mm up you will end up with cold lap as you have to run the welder on a low setting with not much weld penatration hope that is of some help |
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bibblybobs
Yardie Joined: 12 Nov 08 Location: folkestone Status: Offline Points: 334 |
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I use gas from Halfords and the current bottle I have has lasted a year and a lot of panels. I turn on the gas tap until I just hear the gas then stop. If you open the gas tap fully it will only last about 10 mins.
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Jam-Man
Yardie Joined: 19 Aug 09 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 289 |
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You are certainly correct about BOC Andy. They suck! But if you need the gear as we do they've got you up against a wall for sure. Argon mix on the MIG does make it a lot nicer though!
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AndyT
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Mine is gasless and I'll put up with the spatter.
BOC are taking the ****. |
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Jam-Man
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Oh, forgot to mention... Oxy/Acetylene bottles are available on the 'black market' but they are inevitably empty and you will have trouble getting them filled if you don't have a trusted friend with a proper BOC account...
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