Tyres and load ratings - using car tyres on T5? |
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Alonline
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Good post Swiss I think someoone used to go on about brevatey or something but some things need laid out proper
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zedzedeleven
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Keep a close eye on those Agilis Simon, I failed the mot because two had blocks of tread lifting off with deep cracks between the treads. Like Al says, do a search.
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Alonline
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Had you not read posts about problems with the Agillis on here. Prone to eggs forming and noise and vibration. I found wear rate high and poor in the wet. Keep an eye on them because I found four in my fleet failing, two developed eggs I missed looking in from the side and only seem them when jacked up looking stright into the tread. The other two began to crack inside the tread round the tyres. I have two left to go which will be changed soon. Very disappointing from the from the white fat man! Search the thread. I am sorry if I sound negative but if you were steaming up the motorway and one lets go its not going to pleasent until you get stopped providing you stay upright and there might be an unpleasent smell in the wagon. Yeah any tyre, any brand can fail but keep an eyes on them, we don't want to read unhappy tales later.
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oldun
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But what load should we be using? 1. A quarter of the maximum load - 3000/4 = 750 kg 1. Half the maximum front axle laod (larger than the rear axle load) - 1550/2 = 775 kg Is the differenece significant when considering the tyre load ratings?
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swiss
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P= Passenger
LT = Light truck or van T = Temporary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tire_code http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tire_code_-_en.svg Then the tyre width = e.g 205 Then aspect ratio 0 = lowest i.e low profile 100 e.g Highest and are your Kevlar or low rolling resistance tyres, fuel savers but increased side wall stress R for radials unless you want Russian off road C cross ply BDR 16 is the size f tyre diameter Then speed rating, R S T U V W X Y Then UTQ which is the hardness of rubber measured as T T T Tread 100, 200, 300 etc Temperature AA Best down to C on how well the rubber resists getting hot specifically the welds - poor / Traction AA down to C (poor) And finally Loads Load Range - Number of layers of ply on tyre A - N 2 - 24 Load Index 98 750 KG 99 775 KG Generally manufactures alloys 100 800 KG x 4 = T32 or is it Manufacturers alloys 101 825 KG Limit to manufacturers alloys 102 850 KG 103 875 KG 104 900 KG Where most of my alloys are 105 925 KG 106 950 KG Limit of where u can buy alloys e,g Dakar style Swiss 107 975 KG 108 1000 KG Load index is also on alloys Having correct tyres is pretty useless if you have car alloys fitted The tyre should normally be similar to the alloy so for a T30 / 4 = 750 KG minimum but you need to allow for accidental overloading from 1000 KG payload e.g 6 people in Kombi = 500 KG 70 Litres fuel etc 70 KG Spare wheel 70 KG Aircon and extras e windows 100 KG Plus whatever actual load you are carrying 500 KG? Or camper conversion Or whatever you guys actually put in them Take a look on eBay and very few T5 Alloy sellers even mention the Load Weighting etc Fit these and you are simply not insured You have modified the vehicle with telling the insurer usimg a substandard part http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/20-HAWKE-T5-VW-transporter-RS4-wheels-tyres-silver-/370469077133?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Rims_Car_Wheels_ET&hash=item5641ad808d First one I looked at is a 97 Thus it can take roughly 2800/2900 KG with no room for error It is a potential collapse Edited by swiss - 17 Apr 11 at 15:32 |
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Studioman
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just a point about sourcing tyres from people like camskill's...good value tyres but then of course you get into loads of hassle with your local fitting place i.e. 'why the ***k should we fit somebody elses tyres?!' can't say as i blame them either.. one very bad experience put me off that method for good. your alloys won't get much respect in that situation.
this is why i recommended CTtyres.co.uk, quick easy order online but a brilliant link-up with local fitting places all over the country. no add-ons at point of fitment and i am genuinely well impressed. we've used them three times with no issues, lets hope they continue to offer such amazing service and choice.
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a11y
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LOOOOL you have a point. But every little helps in terms of grip for safety. My T5 will never handle well, 2500kgs of converted van, forget it lol.
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The Transporter
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Well yes it is to me.... As is taking a van and trying to make it corner like a sportscar. Might I suggest tyres with a higher aspect ratio to absorb more shock from all those potholes out there.. |
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a11y
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Read my initial post again: "Q2: Or, could I fit a "normal" car tyre, provided it has a load rating suitable for my 3000kg maximum permitted weight?" "I'm after the best performing tyres in terms of grip in the dry and wet, and also braking performance: of all the tyre tests I've seen, car tyres out-perform commercial-specific tyres." And then read my follow-up post:
I wasn't asking for cost-saving; my concern is about performance. Once it'd been clarified/explained to me exactly how load-ratings were calculated, I was very clear about what I needed to buy. FWIW I ended up buying Falken STZ/01's in 235/55/17 103-rated flavour. Great tyre, legal for my axle weights, better reviews for grip/braking than any commercial tyre, although will probably not last as long as I assume they'll be a softer compound hence the better performance. So, is this still a pointless thread? |
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kernow
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gargle's i reckon
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The Transporter
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Sucks it is from me then!
But the real question is does he spit or swallow? Edited by The Transporter - 16 Apr 11 at 22:25 |
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kernow
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my bigest fear is that when I die the missus will sell my toys for what I said I paid for them
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The Transporter
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Does that mean that he sucks? |
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kernow
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Now would you take your nice shiny T5 alloys to fitter who thinks they suck .
What geat business sense , try to get a sly freeby ad for your business while telling the folks your trying to sell to that what they have sucks . that surely quaifies for a darwin award
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The Transporter
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Care to expand on that? or are you just trying to advertise your business for free? By the way, your tyres aren't that competitive either.. |
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swiss
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What a pointless thread
One says car tyres One says van tyres Whats next? I bought a pair of shoes three sizes too small and now have blisters and a bruise on ass where I slipped? But they were cheaper At end of day there are just 4 inches of rubber that contact you with road |
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kernow
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104 is rated to 900kg 103 is rated to 875 kg per tyre . the load rating increases by 25kg for each number higher ie 105 =925 kg etc .
I don't know what the letter T means ,
I think its the speed rating for the load .
original fit michelins on my t32 are rated 106 or 104 H I think the rating drops for higher speed . The ex x5 michelins I fitted are rated 104 .
875 kg per tyre gets you 3500 kg all up load and the original tyres 3600 kg , are you going to exceed that ?? The lighter rated VW vans may have had a lighter rating on the t28 etc worth a check , depending on what model, your van is .
Someone else may clear that up
I would try another tyre fitter , it strikes me the one you asked may be a bit of a jobsworth who is just checking a chart and has no idea what the figure means
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CrazyCano
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I have an odd situation.
I have purchased a 2004 T5 T30 in Australia and some 17" BMW X5 wheels with the intention of fitting 103 rated tyres. I went into a local tyre fitter and they checked the tyre recommendation sticker and said it was illegal to fit the 103 tyres as my sticker said 106T minimum. I checked a 2006 T5 and their sticker said 102 minimum. I guess VW reduced the load requirement for the 2006 plated vans, however this leaves me stuck as there are no 106 rated 17" tyres available here in Oz :-( I'm keen to keep the van legal, but this is testing my patience, is there a way to get the tyre sticker changed? Any advice would be great. Thanks Alex
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Splitskin
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Anyone know what I should expect to pay for load rated tyres for 18" Dakars. I had 101's on but the van didn't go through the test (Irish test). They said I needed 102 on front and 103 on rear. My van is LWB if that makes a difference to tyre rates. The 101 cost €125 a pop!
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kernow
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just had a set of michelins fitted to our car , they were only about a fiver each more then the cheapie brand , they were on a offer though .
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