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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 09:56
Incidentaly,That ^^ Is my final comment on the subject,Im down around 3 K But finally my van is sorted,Thanks to all who have helped,Much appreciated....One final point,If you pay cash to get a scrap engine fitted from a scrap yard,Your going to get bit on the arse i guess...I have learnt my lesson,Study the pics  and make up your own mind about your bus being important enough to you to be repaired at a reputable garage and pay a little more or,You use spanner monkeys and scrap yard parts Wink
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 10:52
Originally posted by Bluebays Bluebays wrote:

As promised,Garage report.

Engine and Gearbox removed from van



Collapsed and destroyed support bearnng,





Release bearing damaged beyond repair and inspection of box still to be carried out



On closer inspection,It was discovered that the flywheel had not been torqued,In fact it was loose! This of course would cause vibration and ith the knock sensor being just out of picture this is why it goes into limp mode ( Vibration) It has rattled into destruction!

Prior to these findings there where visable checks and repairs done at another garage soon after getting van back from TDi conversion,These findings included,Not getting third or fourth gear properly because Cold start cable was cut at the rear of van and wrapped around gear linkage. Cable tied fuel lines ( Leaking ) Very poor  electrical joints,ECU  Rolling about in back of van ( Not secured ) So everytime i cornered it hit the side of van. Serpentine belt tensioner bearing fucked,Numerous oil leaks And last but not least..No dipstick!


Sorry....its been pointed out to me i have forgotten a couple of points, Cam followers buggered, and That the flywheel being loose the special HA projekt 3H Gearbox to 1Z Input shaft is buggered too Angry Baxter came to the rescue with this one
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 11:02
Ok
first thing , there is no legal action pending, a Gipsy i sold 6 months ago has lost compression on two cyls due to failed injectors, van is coming back to me for new engine and its all ammicable

If the flywheel is loose there will be damge to crank and flywheel can we see this first, it will not cause any problem with crank sensor as this works off crank and is no way linked to flywheel, so would not cause any limp mode faults.
When Kevs van was done at mine much of the mechanical work was done by a guy i had employed, he turned out to be a nightmare and i had to sack him due to various mishaps, luckily i picked up on most of them before anything left the door but i really doubt that flywheel was loose as if it was the vibration would be very noticable, any way if it is loose the flywheel will be hammered
ECU is screwed into place
No dipstick, when you use the JX dipstick on a Gipsy unless you machine alternator its a nightmare to get to my plan was to modify oil filler tube to acceept new dipstick ,but obviously with events it never happened, it does have golf dipstick
the cold start cable sits on left of gearbox nowhere near shift mech
Gren who redid roof said he could not see any oil leaks.
all previouswork as stated was not done by another garage but by Kevs next door neighbour, who confessed to me that he had never even worked on a Diesel before.
Serpatine tensioner not u/s but had a very slight noiseas  i was told by Gren so probably had another 10,000 miles left in it yet
With that bearing siezing like that my concern would be more down to input shaft, it may be out of tollerence,i would pressume that the end of it is now stuffed
i have not posted on here as it will just fuel more of the same which achieves nothing of any good at all, which is exactly what will happen now.
i have been doing TDi conversions for over 10 years now with no problems of note at all, and i have been a Diesel fitter since i left school working for many dealerships and  becoming a master tech for most i have worked for, not something i have achieved through shoddy workmanship.
As for the frame work i took this on 18 months ago befoe going self employed and at the same time spent 6 months working away from home week after week meaning simply i did not have the time to do the job i wanted too on Kevs van, when it came back i was faced with the same situation meaning i had no time to reskin and rework wood work, espaically as in my stupidity i took on the TDi conversion of Kevs van i a hope of making amends for issue with reframe
This TDi conversion was done for less then half price, with the money i recieved not even covering parts cost, this was on the understanding i thought ! that the roof would be redone with the money saved.
Thats all i have to say so cue the abuse .......................................................... now
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 11:59
Originally posted by Bluebays Bluebays wrote:

As promised,Garage report.

Engine and Gearbox removed from van



Collapsed and destroyed support bearnng,





Release bearing damaged beyond repair and inspection of box still to be carried out



On closer inspection,It was discovered that the flywheel had not been torqued,In fact it was loose! This of course would cause vibration and ith the knock sensor being just out of picture this is why it goes into limp mode ( Vibration) It has rattled into destruction!

You can see damage caused by vibration of loose flywheel here




Prior to these findings there where visable checks and repairs done at another garage soon after getting van back from TDi conversion,These findings included,Not getting third or fourth gear properly because Cold start cable was cut at the rear of van and wrapped around gear linkage. Cable tied fuel lines ( Leaking ) Very poor  electrical joints,ECU  Rolling about in back of van ( Not secured ) So everytime i cornered it hit the side of van. Serpentine belt tensioner bearing fucked,Numerous oil leaks And last but not least..No dipstick!
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 13:10
Originally posted by mazz mazz wrote:

Ok
first thing , there is no legal action pending, a Gipsy i sold 6 months ago has lost compression on two cyls due to failed injectors, van is coming back to me for new engine and its all ammicable

If the flywheel is loose there will be damge to crank and flywheel can we see this first, it will not cause any problem with crank sensor as this works off crank and is no way linked to flywheel, so would not cause any limp mode faults.
When Kevs van was done at mine much of the mechanical work was done by a guy i had employed, he turned out to be a nightmare and i had to sack him due to various mishaps, luckily i picked up on most of them before anything left the door but i really doubt that flywheel was loose as if it was the vibration would be very noticable, any way if it is loose the flywheel will be hammered
ECU is screwed into place
No dipstick, when you use the JX dipstick on a Gipsy unless you machine alternator its a nightmare to get to my plan was to modify oil filler tube to acceept new dipstick ,but obviously with events it never happened, it does have golf dipstick
the cold start cable sits on left of gearbox nowhere near shift mech
Gren who redid roof said he could not see any oil leaks.
all previouswork as stated was not done by another garage but by Kevs next door neighbour, who confessed to me that he had never even worked on a Diesel before.
Serpatine tensioner not u/s but had a very slight noiseas  i was told by Gren so probably had another 10,000 miles left in it yet
With that bearing siezing like that my concern would be more down to input shaft, it may be out of tollerence,i would pressume that the end of it is now stuffed
i have not posted on here as it will just fuel more of the same which achieves nothing of any good at all, which is exactly what will happen now.
i have been doing TDi conversions for over 10 years now with no problems of note at all, and i have been a Diesel fitter since i left school working for many dealerships and  becoming a master tech for most i have worked for, not something i have achieved through shoddy workmanship.
As for the frame work i took this on 18 months ago befoe going self employed and at the same time spent 6 months working away from home week after week meaning simply i did not have the time to do the job i wanted too on Kevs van, when it came back i was faced with the same situation meaning i had no time to reskin and rework wood work, espaically as in my stupidity i took on the TDi conversion of Kevs van i a hope of making amends for issue with reframe
This TDi conversion was done for less then half price, with the money i recieved not even covering parts cost, this was on the understanding i thought ! that the roof would be redone with the money saved.
Thats all i have to say so cue the abuse .......................................................... now


I really did want this to die but oh well,First off, Yes Andys van is another issue and thats between you,him and trading standards..No comment
There IS damage to the flywheel,Check the pics.
Im assured by the garage that indeed the loose flywheel will cause the van to go into limp mode and,The vibration was very noticable...If of course you dont agree,Thats between you and them...I know who i believe.
The ECU was not screwed into place,I have a pic somewhere.
Pat is indeed a neighbour,And also a fully qualified fitter all work to the van was carried out at his place of work with a reciept given.
And as for the comments you say Gren made to you,just spoken to him and he said he could see an oil leak fronm the sump but,his visability was resticted somewhat without van being on lift,he also said, The bearings in the tensioner where US and he did not make any comment as to how long it would last.
If the conversion is to be done correctly, the JX dipstick should be used. This means adapting the alternator bracket so the JX dipstick sits under it. If skills required to do this aren't/weren't available why take on the conversion in the first place? Others have managed to do it successfully.
It did indeed have a golf dipstick...One problem that immediatly comes to light with that however is..it wont reach the sump will it?
I dont question your qualifications,I do wonder though,Why some two months after the fitting you say that in effect you didnt even do it,Isnt that taking money under false pretences?
"I picked up on most things", but obviously you didn't pick up on the flywheel being loose - or incorrectly torqued. You didn't pick up on the support bearing not being checked, greased up or replaced as it was worn. As this part is so critical £5 to replace it wouldn't have gone amiss.
You say you where going to take the van back and refit the roof......You didnt even touch it! The first resto was an abortion and saying you where doing the TDi in some way to make recompense to me is bolloxs and you know it!
So the job was rushed and mistakes made. Why do you think you could do that on someone's pride and joy? Was it too much to ask for the mistakes to be corrected (for 18 months continuously)? 18 months to sort the problems out and you still failed to do so? In the meanwhile the Cheetah (pride and joy) was sat rotting. Is this good customer service?






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 13:40

Is this good customer service?

LOL your having a giraff!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 14:27
Took a while,But you can clearly see the ECU propped up loose against rear of van,Notice securing lugs to front Confused



Neat wiring! Dead



Why move a heating duct? Just cut the fuck right through!!! Shocked



What oil leak? And a bent Golf dipstick that incidently dont even reach the bloody sump!! LOL


Sorry, Wrong pic there





Edited by Bluebays - 20 Oct 11 at 14:28
     
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 16:02
Originally posted by Bluebays Bluebays wrote:

 

Why move a heating duct? Just cut the fuck right through!!! Shocked






That's just vandalism!Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Oct 11 at 20:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 11 at 09:08
Interesting thread but the pictures speak for themselves. I would not go near the guy or the people subcontract to him. At least now you have it sorted admittedly after getting burned for thousands.
Problem I have is the people who come on the thread stating what great work they have had done. It seems they looked at the pictures with rose tinted specs. Still if one good thing comes out of this then perhaps said garage will improve its customer service and quality of workmanship.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Oct 11 at 11:57
I have looked at the pictures & they dont look great..
 
Understand Bluebays pain too - I wentthrough a similar thing with Targa Bug a few years ago.
 
That said, I have used Mario loads of times for my van & mk1 & not had any issues/ problems with the quality of his work.
 
Thats not rose tinted specs, thats just my own experiences..
 
 
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