1y setup and install - how long should it take?

Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic

   Hi all,
I think I am being overcharged labour hour wise for an engine job so wanted forum views.
Job was to install a 1y engine into a t3 5 speed manual that had previously had an aaz. Aaz engine was already removed but gearbox left in van, along with all water piping and the throttle cable and wiring loom. I had removed sump (jx), exhaust middle and backbox, engine mount arms, dipstick, exhaust manifold. The 1y was also on the floor, engine mount arms removed, but both inlet and outlet Manifolds to remove and change. Various hoses cut but still attached to block. Golf sump and dipstick still on the 1y, as were alt, fuel and water pumps.  Request was to use 1y pump and alt, fit new water pump and cambelt. Nothing I had done myself was seized or rusted, 1y had been running nicely in golf before removal. Only issue is being a chump I'd forgotten to remove gear linkage then dropped the box, so the shifter rod did need looking at.
Can anyone with experience of the job tell me roughly how long it should take from here please?
Thanks a lot.

Author	Message Topic Search Topic Options Post Reply Create New Topic Printable Version Translate Topic
robthedon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Yardie Joined: 16 Apr 09 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 482	Post Options Post Reply Quote robthedon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: 1y setup and install - how long should it take? Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 13:37
	Hi all, I think I am being overcharged labour hour wise for an engine job so wanted forum views. Job was to install a 1y engine into a t3 5 speed manual that had previously had an aaz. Aaz engine was already removed but gearbox left in van, along with all water piping and the throttle cable and wiring loom. I had removed sump (jx), exhaust middle and backbox, engine mount arms, dipstick, exhaust manifold. The 1y was also on the floor, engine mount arms removed, but both inlet and outlet Manifolds to remove and change. Various hoses cut but still attached to block. Golf sump and dipstick still on the 1y, as were alt, fuel and water pumps. Request was to use 1y pump and alt, fit new water pump and cambelt. Nothing I had done myself was seized or rusted, 1y had been running nicely in golf before removal. Only issue is being a chump I'd forgotten to remove gear linkage then dropped the box, so the shifter rod did need looking at. Can anyone with experience of the job tell me roughly how long it should take from here please? Thanks a lot.
	Rob Don Managing Director, London Campers T: 07985 991349 E: rob@londoncampers.co.uk W: www.londoncampers.co.uk

ELVIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Silence is golden, gaffa tape is silver Joined: 04 Nov 06 Location: Promised Land Status: Offline Points: 9982	Post Options Post Reply Quote ELVIS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 13:53
	Thinking to how long previous engine swaps have taken me, as an amateur, on my driveway etc Im going to be the first to make myself look a cock and say 20hrs tops, all in, any more than that and i would be asking Qs? Have done an AAZ on my driveway in the middle of winter on the side of a hill in the Brecons. swapped the pump and cambelt before handon a pallet in my garage and it took two days but that was starting at 10 once frost had gone and stop at 5 ish when it got dark and too cold. Thats outside on concrete, no ramps etc. Have done a couple fo JXs on same driveway and doing all prep work on 'new' engine ie pump/belt etc and its 2 days give or take a bit. Maybe a few hours on day 3 fettling.
	Www.justgiving.com/ELVIS-SUMMERS

mrhutch Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group the ginger princess Joined: 21 Aug 07 Location: Herefordshire Status: Offline Points: 5147	Post Options Post Reply Quote mrhutch Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 13:55
	yup, I'd go with that ^^
	T3 1981 Westy Vanagon - thinks lubricant is a fuel

..lee.. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vanorak Joined: 14 May 08 Location: llanelli swales Status: Offline Points: 1420	Post Options Post Reply Quote ..lee.. Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 23 Oct 12 at 21:16
	Yes I wouldn't want to do one for less than 20 hrs. There are always pit falls that take loads of time which you forget about when you are doing it for yourself. Dip stick and pump lever mod done correctly will eat in to an hour or two on its own.
	it`s a big round cage but there`s too many animals in it for my liking.to address this ring lee on 07977 765818.

robthedon Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Yardie Joined: 16 Apr 09 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 482	Post Options Post Reply Quote robthedon Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 12 at 01:09
	Ok thanks guys. yeah if it was an in the drive way job its definitely quite a job! Anyone on here do it professionally and want to hazard a guess at how long it should take a pro? I've paid for a lot less hours than than that in the past. Throttle lever mod was purchased from brickwerks so that just needed installing on pump, most specialist job I suspect would be welding a new exhaust section to mate with the backbox. Cheers.
	Rob Don Managing Director, London Campers T: 07985 991349 E: rob@londoncampers.co.uk W: www.londoncampers.co.uk

ELVIS Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Silence is golden, gaffa tape is silver Joined: 04 Nov 06 Location: Promised Land Status: Offline Points: 9982	Post Options Post Reply Quote ELVIS Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 12 at 01:14
	Rob, ......Lee above is a pro and owns/runs his own garage business and owns a handful of T3s.
	Www.justgiving.com/ELVIS-SUMMERS

kit's Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 11 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 243	Post Options Post Reply Quote kit's Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Oct 12 at 15:09
	20 hours at £50 an hour is a grand, that seems a bit much to me?

rowlesy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vanorak murdered the murderwagen Joined: 09 Oct 05 Location: up unit! Status: Offline Points: 6466	Post Options Post Reply Quote rowlesy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Oct 12 at 17:42
	its not the cost of the job thats the issue to most mechanics. like lee said its the time. smallest issue can turn into a ball-ache!
	UberFukz broke another! sucky sucky five dollah! always out numbered never out gunned! RWS welding 07846 380 467 (worcs)

MADMATT Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Vanorak twin turbo taff Joined: 20 Apr 05 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 1245	Post Options Post Reply Quote MADMATT Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Oct 12 at 20:32
	i dont think most peaple understand how long theys jobs take to do propely unless they have tryed it themselves ive done lots of different motors and sorted plenty of badly done conversions.

MacAdiane Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 24 Dec 04 Location: Moray Status: Offline Points: 177	Post Options Post Reply Quote MacAdiane Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 28 Oct 12 at 21:16
	My second swap was well prepared. All bits and bobs purchased in advance, 1Y engine reconditionned and ready to accept the JX bits. All relevant tools at hand. I started on tuesday morning 10:00 AM..... and finished on Saturday afternoon 15:00. (workshop closes at 5pm, an hour of for lunch) Had the facility of a pro workshop to do it..... Half of that time is cleaning mucky stuff coming out the JX. I am competent, but still an amateur. Hope this will help you